R1200GS catastrophic engine failure!

[Britton]

This is (was) the spark plug from the right cylinder. That is the same cylinder that Kevin had the valve issue. My guess is it sucked a valve.aswerfg
So what do y'all think?

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[mcinfantry]

yikes!

[thedrizel]

Looks expensive is what I think.

I thought BMW's were bulletproof.

[Britton]

They are......They just aren't Stuntman proof!!!

Thank God it is under warranty.

[Juice]

Man, this sucks. Sorry to hear it Austin. Keep us posted.

[Ritten]

*cough*...and...uuummmm.........WHO was the last dealership to do a valve job on it??????*cough*





























:wall::stirpot:

[2Evil4U]

That was the valve job that took two attempts, no?

Total bummer man. That looks like a serious mess. I'd bet the whole jug is gone. Unless they use sleeves from the factory, then they can probably re-sleeve it.

[mcinfantry]

who did the work?

[Britton]

That was the valve job that took two attempts, no?

Total bummer man. That looks like a serious mess. I'd bet the whole jug is gone. Unless they use sleeves from the factory, then they can probably re-sleeve it.

You are correct. It happened at the 12,000 mile service. It now has 15,500 on it. I shined a light down the spark plug hole and there is a shit load of metal chuncks in there. Oh well, maybe I can get a new engine out of this.

[Britton]

who did the work?

Heberts in Baton Rouge. I am not pointing fingers at this point, but I do find it interesting that that the jug that failed is the same one they screwed up the valve adjustment on 3500 mile ago. Coincidence? Maybe. Maybe not.

[weave]

Sorry to see this.Even though its under warranty,it could take a long time to resolve and fix....

[mcinfantry]

damn. makes me feel a little safer not buying a 650....

good luck

[scootertrash]

I wonder if this is a omen from god, as I was just thinking about buying another 1200 GS.....
I talked with Austin this morning, and I will be watching to see how this is taken care of. Still hate to see Austin go through this.

[2Evil4U]

Y'all need something bulletproof. Like a nice Harley like mine.....



















:wall:

[Klantz]

Y'all need something bulletproof. Like a nice Harley like mine.....



















:wall:

Would that be the one you commented on saying, "If it doesn't sound like a blender full of nickels, it isn't running correctly?"... or was it the one that likes to take naps?... I'd go with a Zook...















:wall: Sorry to hear about your bike Austin... broken rides suck!

[Shaq Diesel]

Taking it to Hebert's or trailering to Shreveport?

[Britton]

Most likely Shreveport Motorsports. I know the owner there pretty well (great guy by the way) and his shop is very competent. I'll haul it up there next week. Road trip to Shreveport anyone?

[Klantz]

If I can get a hold of that guy with the strom rack, I think his name was trailwing, I'd go. It would all rely on him. I've got a trailer, but I wouldn't trust my truck that far.

[Britton]

Ted has offered to take me next week. Thanks Ted, you big STUD!!! I owe ya!

[Ritten]

Ted has offered to take me next week. Thanks Ted, you big STUD!!! I owe ya!



No problem man! I'm ready to see what kind of mileage my new truck gets on the highway.

[Britton]

Will I be allowed to eat a roast beef po'boy in your truck on the way to Shreveport?

[2Evil4U]

Would that be the one you commented on saying, "If it doesn't sound like a blender full of nickels, it isn't running correctly?"... or was it the one that likes to take naps?... I'd go with a Zook...
:wall:

Heh. :D

I said bulletproof, not quiet, like normal mechanical devices...

And the propensity to nap provides for a great full-body workout. I haven't been this sore since I used to go to a gym...

:love:

[CapoLee]

Heh. :D

I said bulletproof, not quiet, like normal mechanical devices...

And the propensity to nap provides for a great full-body workout. I haven't been this sore since I used to go to a gym...

:love:

Hi:Church I know where you can fine a good Capo.And
it will out run the GS.It will beat being without a bike for a month.:wall:

[jason70360]

Most likely Shreveport Motorsports. I know the owner there pretty well (great guy by the way) and his shop is very competent. I'll haul it up there next week. Road trip to Shreveport anyone?

(haven't been around lately) Holy shit Austin, sorry to hear about this. I think you should be able to get some "pain and suffering" for your broken heart. ;)

If not maybe a swift 234de would help.


No problem man! I'm ready to see what kind of mileage my new truck gets on the highway.

Sorry about the :threadjacked: but what did you get Ted and what are you doing, did, with the Tacoma?

[Ritten]

(haven't been around lately) Holy shit Austin, sorry to hear about this. I think you should be able to get some "pain and suffering" for your broken heart. ;)

If not maybe a swift 234de would help.



Sorry about the :threadjacked: but what did you get Ted and what are you doing, did, with the Tacoma?



Well......it ain't no Nissan that's for sure!!!!:wall:


HAHAHAHA....sorry Nick......had to do it!


I went over to Greg LeBlanc Toyota Friday night at 7:30 to check out what they had on the lot. I'd been thinking of upgrading my Tacoma to a V6 and possibly a crew cab. They didn't have anything I wanted in the 08's, but when a salesman walked up (I thought they were closed already) and said they had just gotten an extended cab in as a trade it peaked my curiosity. It's the exact same truck I had (even the same color), but a V6 and it has the TRD offroad package which includes the locking diff. It also has 6k less miles than mine and A LOT less scratches, dents, bumps, and bruises. I drove it off the lot, trucks traded, and papers signed by 9:10pm.

[nickatnite]

Dood....

Sorry to hear about your bike.

Is it an 05 or 06 GS.
If it's and 05, I wouldn't rule out when they were having all of those right side jugs being replaced either.


Ted, no offense. Glad to hear you got a new ride. As long as you are happy with what you got at the price, that is all that matters.

On another note, the Nissan is getting WAYYYYY better gas mileage than the Dodge was, so I am happy.

[Britton]

I wanted to update everyone on what is going on with the GS. Cory heard what had happend through the grapevine. He was very proactive, called me, and asked me to bring him the bike ASAP. I was not able to, so he came to my house and picked it up. He has torn down the motor and the following pictures speak for them self. He is pushing BMW for a new motor. All I have to say is that I am very impressed at how proactive Cory is being at trying to make this right.

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[cooney]

Man that's nasty looking. It looks like the valve just broke off.

[Klantz]

holy rusted metal batman! that looks worse than when I put a hole through the piston on my oldsmobile...

[2Evil4U]

Wow! I haven't seen a valve do that since my Dad's old 427 side oiler, and those were sodium filled.

That's a weird failure. Not quite sure if a botched valve job would just cause the head to snap off. I expected to see the stem keepers off and the spring flopping around loose. Then again, he didn't show the top end of the head, so it's really hard to RCFA from the pictures. One other thing I'm wondering, is that an interference motor? If it jumps time like some cars today, is it possible for the piston to slap the valves?

Although, I just noticed the valve stuck into the top of the piston in the first picture. That is an unfortunately ugly mess.

Better now than El Paso, though, I think.

[Ritten]

DAAAAMN.....well, I gotta give Cory props on this one too. He could have just said "Screw it" and waited to see if you brought it back to them. Hopefully BMW will back it up and make it right as well. Keep us posted man!

[nickatnite]

DAAAAMN.....well, I gotta give Cory props on this one too. He could have just said "Screw it" :bananahump: and waited to see if you brought it back to them. Hopefully BMW will back it up and make it right as well. Keep us posted man!

I agree 100% with Ted.

Cory is trying his damndest.. :1stplace:


Oh and Ted, I fixed your orig quote on what shoulda been said.

[scootertrash]

Hey, Cory called me trying to locate Austin and to find out about the bike. This speaks well for Heberts, good on him for taking the initiative.

[weave]

Lets hope BMWNA come thru with the right decision

[Britton]

Wow! I haven't seen a valve do that since my Dad's old 427 side oiler, and those were sodium filled.

That's a weird failure. Not quite sure if a botched valve job would just cause the head to snap off. I expected to see the stem keepers off and the spring flopping around loose. Then again, he didn't show the top end of the head, so it's really hard to RCFA from the pictures. One other thing I'm wondering, is that an interference motor? If it jumps time like some cars today, is it possible for the piston to slap the valves?

Although, I just noticed the valve stuck into the top of the piston in the first picture. That is an unfortunately ugly mess.

Better now than El Paso, though, I think.

The stem keeper was intact, the damn thing just broke off! How weird is that. You are right, better 8 miles from my house than in Thompson creek or El Paso!

[cooney]

Hey Austin, wanna use the Camary!

[Juice]

FUBAR!





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[ONE LOVE]

Jeebez man, that sucks. I hope BMW pulls through for you.

[Britton]

Hey Austin, wanna use the Camary!

Can I put some knobbies on it? :D

[Save-the-Manatee]

Dude, Dude, Dude, that is ugly. Let us know how you make out.

[Britton]

BMW says there are no more motors available and they will not give me an '08motor due to the changes they made so Heberts is rebuilding my motor. At least BMW approved to have both cylinders rebuilt.
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[Juice]

Thats only two doors down from me. I'm going to sneak in there at lunch at T-bag that baby!!!!!!!

[scootertrash]

My baby looks like it has been raped beaten and abused.... I miss her........lol Sucks your not getting a new motor. But with them rebuilding it that should have a warrenty?

[Ritten]

Damn man. Hopefully it'll be good as new with the rebuild. I know the GS' look good when they're naked, but that picture just looks scary!!

[2Evil4U]

No more motors available??! How does that work?

I guess that's good to know if you're ever looking at picking up a damaged bike cheap....

[Shaq Diesel]

If you have your suspension on order and get it in time you can just add it on while you're at it (unless you wanted to do it yourself).

That's kinda scary that they don't have a spare crate motor for a bike only 3 years old. If it died due to a wreck then that means you're pretty much left with buying a new bike if the engine can't be rebuilt...

[Britton]

I have new suspension coming soon, but I'll have the bike back before it arrives.

[Britton]

Thats only two doors down from me. I'm going to sneak in there at lunch at T-bag that baby!!!!!!!

Redfinger

[2Evil4U]

That's kinda scary that they don't have a spare crate motor for a bike only 3 years old. If it died due to a wreck then that means you're pretty much left with buying a new bike if the engine can't be rebuilt...

That's what stunned me. You crack that center case and it's a total write off.

[Rocky]

"BMW says there are no more motors available" What a crock of shit that must be.

[Juice]

Yea, seems a little premeditated to me as well. .BS..BS..BS.


"BMW says there are no more motors available" What a crock of shit that must be.

[Britton]

I can't call B.S on Heberts because Don, the owner of Shreveport Motorsports, went to bat for me and Corey and got the same response. What is a guy to do?????

[Shaq Diesel]

I can't call B.S on Heberts because Don, the owner of Shreveport Motorsports, went to bat for me and Corey and got the same response. What is a guy to do?????

I was afraid the issue was going to be with BMW N/A. I can almost guarantee you they have crate engines, but they are all in Germany, and for warranty work, they would just rather pay for the parts and labor than to order and ship a motor across the pond.

We can only hope that if engine case damage is involved that they wouldn't be so tight about it.

[Britton]

The way I look at it is if BMW N/A is willing to fix it, then cool. If it breaks again while under warranty, then BMW N/A can just fix it again.

[I_FLY_LOW]

well, good luck with it anyway... hopefully the valves are done properly the first time on the rebuild...

[mattc]

I don't see any reason why they would replace the entire engine for the damage in the photos. Good to hear that they are taking care of it for you.

[Britton]

BMW agrees with you! The "replace the engine" chant started when they discoved chunks of metal in the motor since the valve punched a hole in the piston. Can you say "extended warranty"?

[mattc]

Ah, I can't see a hole in the pics. Well that just justifies more of a tear down, inspection, and then evaluating whether more parts are needed or just cleaning. Hope there weren't enough shards to clog the oil pick up or oil pump!

[Britton]

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[mattc]

Sweeeeeet!

[cooney]

Talk about a lot work. He's earning his money isn't he.

[I_FLY_LOW]

Note to self: if someone asks me to remove a beemer engine, say no and run the other way!!! lol... if I had the time and tools, looks like fun!

[2Evil4U]

Those are some cool pics. I'd never thought about where the crank would have to be in a boxer. I also can't believe the size of the flywheel.

Oddly, and I guess because of my background, the first thing I thought when I saw that was. "How the hell do they transfer the power 90 degrees to get it to the chain?" Then I woke up and realized that there is a reason all those bikes run shafts.

[Britton]

I stopped by Heberts today and Corey and Ben are doing a great job. This really is a big job and they have jumped on it like it was thier own bike. As Cooney says above, they ARE earning their money on this one. I asked them to put in a new clutch. The current clutch is in good shape for 15,500 miles, but since the motor is apart, I figured what the hell.

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[Shaq Diesel]

any idea what will be replaced when it's all said and done?

[king4456]

i went and saw it yesterday while buying some stuff to change my oil and I wanted to cry seeing that bike in two pieces and parts everywhere. on a lighter note the 08's are sweet.

[Britton]

any idea what will be replaced when it's all said and done?

The entire right jug and the piston on the left.

[scootertrash]

Looks good Austin, smart move on the clutch that would have been my advice. Have it done!

[I_FLY_LOW]

Pardon my ignorance, but, why just the piston on the left?
Wouldn't you think they would want the piston and sleeve or jug to wear equally on both cylinders?
or do the piston and sleeve assumably get replaced together?

[Britton]

Piston and sleeve are being replaced on the left. Sorry, I forgot to put that in.

[I_FLY_LOW]

gotcha!

[Doug]

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Eekster

That's just plain scary!:eek:

Sorry about your downtime...
Props to Cory & krewe for making this right for ya.

[Britton]

Bike is back togther and Corey will be test riding it tomorrow!

[I_FLY_LOW]

holy cow that was quick! So, it's safe to assume, that if all goes well, you'll have a break-in period to go through again?

[Britton]

I sure will. It now has had a top-end overhaul so I'll have to break it in to seat the rings.

[Shaq Diesel]

I sure will. It now has had a top-end overhaul so I'll have to break it in to seat the rings.

And remember, "break-it-in" for Austin is riding a 5 mile wheelie and occassionally setting it down to make sure the cylinders are getting oil... :)

[Britton]

Shhhhhhhhhhh...you might void my extended warranty with rhetoric like that!

[scootertrash]

Damn that was good time for Corey and Company!

[2Evil4U]

http://www.mototuneusa.com/break_in_secrets.htm

[weave]

Great Service.....thats good news. Heberts must be trying to salvage their once stellar reputation. Can't find a better tec than corey,glad he is back.

[Britton]

http://www.mototuneusa.com/break_in_secrets.htm

Great link. I have broken in a few airplane motors over the years and they recommend running them full rich and at WOT for 15 hours. We also ran mineral oil for those 15 hours. Their reasoning is identical to what the link is saying.

[king4456]

i meet Corey wed for the first time and i was impressed with his attitude knowledge.

[I_FLY_LOW]

do you still fly?

[Britton]

Not as much as I used to. I do not own an aircraft right now, so I rent from Fly By Knight in Hammond.

[Britton]

Just hung up with Corey and the GS is FINISHED! I'll be picking it up in the morning....Juice, will you be around?

[mcinfantry]

Just hung up with Corey and the GS is FINISHED! I'll be picking it up in the morning....Juice, will you be around?

what time?? ill be at the harley shop noonish....

[Shaq Diesel]

I might see you up there depending on when I wake up.

[Britton]

I'll be there 11:00 to 11:30. Let me know if y'all want to meet up. We can get some lunch then go out and try and break the GS again.

[mcinfantry]

ok, my tel is 225 445 6223. ill 100% be at the harley shop whether i eat the jambalaya, or just give the money to them... i should be there/near when you are. ive got a helmet bluetooth connector, or just leave a message if im too stupid to answer it.

[Britton]

I'll call you when I head over to the Harley shop from Heberts but you'll know me since I'm sure I'll be the only GS there. They won't tar and feather me will they? :D

[mcinfantry]

lol, i can PROMISE one thing... all the brpd cops there wont say JACK to my face, or yours in front of me......

[Britton]

So can I do some of my Stuntman moves with out getting busted? :D

[2Evil4U]

No problem at the H-D shop.

It's the only place on earth you can be completely invisible in a day-glo roadcrafter... ;)

[Juice]

I got some work to do in the shop tomorrow to get Badgers tard ready for a few paces around the track Sunday. Drop by if you get a chance.




Just hung up with Corey and the GS is FINISHED! I'll be picking it up in the morning....Juice, will you be around?

[Juice]

Ain't that the truth!!!!!!!!



No problem at the H-D shop.

It's the only place on earth you can be completely invisible in a day-glo roadcrafter... ;)

[Britton]

I'll drop by Juice after I hook up with MCinfantry.

[mcinfantry]

first name is lee, btw

[I_FLY_LOW]

Congrats!!!!! I'll be at regional airport @ Gonzales, tomorrow, if'n you wanna ride by....

[Britton]

What are you doing there and how long will you be there?

[Britton]

first name is lee, btw

Austin

See you at the HD shop.

[I_FLY_LOW]

replacing belly skins on a v-tail bonanza that goofed and retracted the gear on takeoff... My bud is a sheet metal wizard... I drive the bucking bar, and step n fetchit.... There's a j3 in there that's in great shape, as well as a completely restored super cub, and another straight tail bonanza... next door, a stearman.... must be nice to be well off.... one day...

[Britton]

After I leave the Juice box, I'll swing by on my way back to Mandeville. Prolly be around 1:30-2:00

[I_FLY_LOW]

cool.. gates require a swipe card, give me a shout, if you wanna come out, to see if we're there, and we'll let you in.. twotwofivefivezerofivethreeninesixsix...

[Dusty]

Props to Heberts, what a super fast turnaround. Glad to have you back among the riding Stuntman.

[Britton]

I picked up the GS for Heberts today and what an amazing job they did!!! I rode 208 miles today, it didn't burn a drop of oil and it is running a lot smoother than before!!! If Corey and Ben replicate this quality of work for everyone, I feel it is worth while giving them our business.

A big thanks goes out to Corey and Ben!!! You guys are tops in my book!!!

I also want to thank Bill and Chip for meeting me at Heberts. It was great seeing you guys! Chip took me out to some great dirt/gravel roads north of Denham Springs. What a great ride. Thanks again Chip! We also stopped by the Gonzales airport and met up with Philip. He gave as a great tour of some really cool planes. Thanks Philip!

Damn, I feel like I am at the Oscars...:D

[I_FLY_LOW]

Congrats on the ride! It sounded good too! I'm glad ya'll came out, you're welcome any time... just give a shout out if ya wanna come by...

[Britton]

When are we going flying?

[I_FLY_LOW]

today would have been an awesome day to go... I just need a plane.... or at least finish one of our projects... today's project, will secure us some hangar rent out there...