The Filthy Whore is getting a makeover! [Archive] - Dual Sport Riders of Louisiana Forums

Klantz

02-25-2009, 04:13 PM

Well Tyler was gracious enough to let me use his place to tear down and work on the whore today. It turns out there was nothing wrong with the valves or the timing chain however there is a quarter sized hole in the piston head. Tyler has the pictures and over the next several weeks she should be back on the road. Current update plans include repainting of the fenders and tank. Replacing the stock 8.61:1 piston with a 10.5:1 compression piston. And an overall general maintenance check-up. Pics to follow soon of the tear down.

mattc

02-25-2009, 04:45 PM

Hurry with the pics and the shit-talking!

Klantz

02-25-2009, 06:12 PM

It seems as though the naming thread and some of the RR with the whore were deleted with the last crash, so here's a few pics of her before she died.

http://i281.photobucket.com/albums/kk230/kllantz/IMAGE_016.jpg

http://i281.photobucket.com/albums/kk230/kllantz/IMAGE_017.jpg

http://i281.photobucket.com/albums/kk230/kllantz/dsc06225yo6.jpg

LAYNFRM

02-25-2009, 08:49 PM

i'll post the pics in a bit. just got back home, so it might be a few minutes

LAYNFRM

02-25-2009, 09:49 PM

i think we can re-use this piston, along with the sprocket.

http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j54/LAYNFRM/filthywhore001.jpg
http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j54/LAYNFRM/filthywhore002.jpg
http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j54/LAYNFRM/filthywhore003.jpg
http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j54/LAYNFRM/filthywhore004.jpg
http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j54/LAYNFRM/filthywhore005.jpg
http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j54/LAYNFRM/filthywhore006.jpg
http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j54/LAYNFRM/filthywhore007.jpg

2Evil4U

02-25-2009, 10:10 PM

That is not a happy piston. Much damage to the rest of the cylinder? Any idea of root cause other than general fatigue?

LAYNFRM

02-25-2009, 10:35 PM

i'm bringing the cylinder to get it checked out friday or sunday when i bring my jug to get it checked out. i have no idea why it went kaput

Klantz

02-25-2009, 10:51 PM

Hey Matt... take a look at that sprocket... there's no way I broke all those teeth off in the short amount of time it was alive... that and the chain could almost be bent in a circle it was so stretched... now part of that is my fault for not checking however I've not been riding long enough to figure out what might be making vibrations or how smooth something "should" be. All I'm sayin is next time I buy a bike from Matt, I'll be sure to check all the general maintenance items.... no matter what he says.Slap12

mattc

02-25-2009, 11:16 PM

Klantz

02-25-2009, 11:29 PM

Awwwwwww bruh. Ok yea the shit was worn out... but it was worn out when I got it too.

That cylinder looks like it needs some work. Major scoring.

My guess is still that predetonation killed the whore.

Yeah, whatever it was that killed it, will be fixed this time around. You don't happen to know about the airbox on that thing... is it stock? The charcoal can is getting removed as well. The cylinder actually had pieces of the piston welded to it, it's amazing the thing didn't seize and weld itself to the cylinder wall, all the way down the sides it was scored and the rings are welded in place on the piston. We actually had to beat on the wrist pin with a sledge to get it out. I'm just messing with ya, I had to give you some kinda crap after I saw my 15t sprocket was only a 9.5t :respect:

mattc

02-25-2009, 11:44 PM

Yeah, whatever it was that killed it, will be fixed this time around. You don't happen to know about the airbox on that thing... is it stock? The charcoal can is getting removed as well. The cylinder actually had pieces of the piston welded to it, it's amazing the thing didn't seize and weld itself to the cylinder wall, all the way down the sides it was scored and the rings are welded in place on the piston. We actually had to beat on the wrist pin with a sledge to get it out. I'm just messing with ya, I had to give you some kinda crap after I saw my 15t sprocket was only a 9.5t :respect:

The "airbox" is something that the Matt before me rigged up. Certainly not stock.

I can't wait to see the whore back in action. That bike was a ton of fun.

2Evil4U

02-26-2009, 06:19 AM

my 15t sprocket was only a 9.5t :respect:

That's funny. If'n you'd'a realized it you coulda put a half-link in the chain and it woulda been fine.:bow2:

I_FLY_LOW

02-26-2009, 08:35 AM

cool! let the reincar- uh bikenation begin!

derf

02-26-2009, 11:57 AM

Bike looks very functional to me.
I like the grenade on the toolbox.

LAYNFRM

02-26-2009, 01:06 PM

Bike looks very functional to me.
I like the grenade on the toolbox.

gotta always be prepared. i'm thinking i might strap it to the handlebars on the motard when it's done. think that'll scare people a bit? maybe toss it in their window when they pull out in front of me or cut me off.

ah, if only i could get my hands on a live grenade, it'd be a blast

Klantz

02-26-2009, 02:48 PM

That's funny. If'n you'd'a realized it you coulda put a half-link in the chain and it woulda been fine.:bow2:

Got a little happy with the apostrophe button this morn'n' did we?

2Evil4U

02-26-2009, 05:19 PM

A'yuh.

teethandnails

03-01-2009, 10:46 PM

I dig it.

Bruce

03-01-2009, 10:49 PM

That bike makes me proud of my KLR :1stplace:

Klantz

04-08-2009, 10:18 AM

parts will be here on monday!

http://i281.photobucket.com/albums/kk230/kllantz/orderconfirmationcopy.jpg

scootertrash

04-08-2009, 11:42 AM

Come on!

Sounds good dude!

Juice

04-08-2009, 06:26 PM

Awesome.

LAYNFRM

04-08-2009, 07:41 PM

sweet. i'm pumped. it's gonna be awsome

I_FLY_LOW

04-08-2009, 07:52 PM

cool Kenny!!

Klantz

04-08-2009, 10:39 PM

Now if I can just get the strom sold, I'll be happy. edit: and the whore running again

Klantz

04-13-2009, 12:33 AM

Ordered some more parts and if everything goes to plan, she'll be up and running this weekend! I picked up some rattlecan black to hit the body plastics. Tomorrow the piston comes in along with chain and sprockets. MattC thanks for the tires and with the new order placed today, she should be up and running like a champion whore and she'll be filthy for different reason!

Handguard plastics
Top end gasket set
new brake and clutch levers

Klantz

04-16-2009, 04:53 PM

Still waiting on the ordered parts, however I went ahead a painted the plastics, tank, and got back the jug from the machine shop! I'll post up some pictures later on.

LAYNFRM

04-17-2009, 12:56 AM

Still waiting on the ordered parts, however I went ahead a painted the plastics, tank, and got back the jug from the machine shop! I'll post up some pictures later on.

hit me up about 30 minutes before you head over tomorrow. that way i can get up and eat some breakfast before we get started.

mattc

04-18-2009, 12:40 AM

Braaaaaaaaaaaaap!

Klantz

04-18-2009, 01:04 AM

Matt, did you make it home mostly dry?

mattc

04-18-2009, 01:18 AM

Not really. Shoulda worn the kili haha. I'm excited for you, gotta finish breakin' 'er in Thursday!

Fitty

04-18-2009, 01:45 AM

So, did you make smoke? Does she live?

derf

04-18-2009, 09:27 AM

Don't clean her up too much. I was planning to park next to you at gatherings and our bikes could keep each other company. If you go making her all pretty I may have to clean mine up some, too.

Klantz

04-18-2009, 09:37 AM

Well, yesterday plans included getting her ready for the motor but a quick run to winners cycle and we had all the parts necessary (a gasket set, fuel filter, new plug, air filter, oil, ) to finish the motor and get her running. I had painted the plastics and tank and they were ready to go.

http://i281.photobucket.com/albums/kk230/kllantz/filthy/DSCF3857.jpg

The Jolly Roger is a stencil that I painted on there.

http://i281.photobucket.com/albums/kk230/kllantz/filthy/DSCF3858.jpg

We laid out all the parts and began work, there aren't too many images of putting it all together as our hands were filled with oil and crap. But here's a few.

http://i281.photobucket.com/albums/kk230/kllantz/filthy/DSCF3860.jpg

Notice the dome on the new piston, the stock one was flat!

http://i281.photobucket.com/albums/kk230/kllantz/filthy/DSCF3853.jpg

Freshly honed cylinder.

http://i281.photobucket.com/albums/kk230/kllantz/filthy/DSCF3854.jpg

New tires are awesome!

http://i281.photobucket.com/albums/kk230/kllantz/filthy/DSCF3859.jpg

Fitting of the tank

http://i281.photobucket.com/albums/kk230/kllantz/filthy/DSCF3861.jpg

at this point, I think we had kicked it about 5,000 times. We were dead tired and it was about 10:30 or so at night Matt was the freshest out of all of us and continued the kick for a while. Every once in a while there was a hint of life. Finally after we dissolved the assembly oil that was in the cylinder and cleaned the plug off and turned the gas knob on, she roared to life!

http://i281.photobucket.com/albums/kk230/kllantz/filthy/DSCF3863.jpg

Like the filthy whore she is, everyone got a turn.

http://i281.photobucket.com/albums/kk230/kllantz/filthy/DSCF3866.jpg

Thanks to Tyler, Matt, and Tyler's buddy Jake to get this thing running yesterday!

opus68

04-18-2009, 09:51 AM

and turned the gas knob on,

I got a good laugh out of this. Of course, I personally have never done this before.Lol1

mattc

04-18-2009, 10:06 AM

I got a good laugh out of this. Of course, I personally have never done this before.Lol1

Kenny "had" it on... but thanks to Tyler's skepticism, we got it all better! :stfu2:

The thing is a beast. I cant wait until it's fully broken in- someone say 3rd gear power wheelies?!?!

Klantz

04-18-2009, 10:55 AM

I kicked it over this morning and she started right up on the 3rd kick. I am gonna have to re attach the decomp lever though... that sucker kicked back on me this morning and.. ouch...

Pics from this morning after her one and only bath.

http://i281.photobucket.com/albums/kk230/kllantz/filthy/DSCF3868.jpg

http://i281.photobucket.com/albums/kk230/kllantz/filthy/DSCF3867.jpg

LAYNFRM

04-18-2009, 12:40 PM

you should have waited till the rest of the trailer park was up to take the pictures.

Fitty

04-18-2009, 02:25 PM

This is great. Can't wait to see it in person.

Juice

04-18-2009, 03:23 PM

She is such a dirty girl......

mattc

04-18-2009, 04:20 PM

Any of you old-skoolers have any tips??

The bike runs HOT, always has. I ran premium last summer with no predetonation. Now, with premium, and the higher compression ratio, it pings under a load, say, rolling on the gas kind of aggressively. I don't think it's lean, They went up from a 140 to 150 main, runs well enough.

Would richening the top end make it predetonate much less? Play with the timing? Is that possible? Just don't want the damn thing to blow up again!

Fitty

04-18-2009, 04:42 PM

Klantz

04-18-2009, 04:57 PM

I would've stuck with the flat top had it been available. But all the over bore pistons were minimum 10.5:1 up from the stock 8.6:1. I could go higher on the jet fairly easily but the timing is a pain in the ass the change, have to remove the whole motor to take the valve assembly off due to clearance issues.

On a side note, I got my moose pro comp deflectors for the hand guards and some new mirrors installed... looking awesome!

Swampy

04-18-2009, 05:26 PM

How hard is it to go richer..... Maybe a 155 or 160 ... Also check all air lines and intake box and choke cable. A crack in any of them causes it to suck air which causes a lean condition...

Im sure none of this is new and you have thought of it.. Just writing it down..

I honestly would start with a bigger jet.. to see how it works ..

When my KLR had about 500 miles on it I had an issue with it overheating..

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v122/swampboy/IMG_9135.jpg
Hot enough for you??????

I brought it to Calmes and they changed the choke cable..(it was cracked and sucking air)
It solved the problem..

Klantz

04-18-2009, 06:23 PM

I sealed off some of the "leaks". The air box has been modified and is basically non existant it's more or less an open filter. I plugged one of the holes on the intake, and put the filter on the crank breather and that seemed to help a little. In the lower gears I don't hear it as much as in the upper gears, right when it hits about 60-70 in 4th-5th is when it really starts pinging when you get on the throttle and it passes, it's mostly in the mid range more towards the upper.

Swampy

04-18-2009, 07:48 PM

Does it have a secondary jet????

My old Vulcan had pinging issues after I put exhaust and a kary akin intake. Secondary jet was to small.

What carb does it have on it?

Klantz

04-18-2009, 10:19 PM

It's the stock carb I'm almost certain. The manual states no secondary jet only a stock #130 for the main.

mattc

04-18-2009, 10:45 PM

One thing popped into my head: Make sure there is no leak where the carb boot bolts to the head. it looked funny. While at idle, spray some cleaner on and around the area, see if it revs or has an effect on the engine.

Also we should do the plug test to see if its too rich or lean on top.

130 to 150 is quite a jump, but with a more open filter and more aggressive piston it still may be lean. IDK

I'll be at mom's again tomorrow working on the CB if you got a few minutes to swing by.

thedrizel

04-19-2009, 09:28 AM

Try a colder spark plug. Often times the normal plug will sit too low in the head and create a hot spot that will cause detonation. That is the first thing I would try. Remember, with NGK plugs, the higher number reflects a cooler plug.

Fitty

04-19-2009, 11:51 AM

Try a colder spark plug.
That sounds like a good idea. Why didn't I think of that? Especially with the higher compression. Sure couldn't hurt and cheap to try.

Swampy

04-19-2009, 10:41 PM

Also... DId you do the valves while it was taken apart??? You know improperly adjusted valves could cause over heat...

Im just throwing things out there now... Valves would have to be to tight (exhaust ) to make it over heat. But thought I would throw it out...

Klantz

04-20-2009, 12:02 AM

Valves were done with the rebuild of the top end. I am going to try 3 things this week, one is check for leaks where the carb meets the engine, two is a cooler plug, and three is a bigger jet. I am hoping a combination of these 3 will fix it.

Swampy

04-20-2009, 12:51 AM

Good luck Bro... Hope it works out..

Zutopong

04-20-2009, 09:59 AM

Awesome!

Rocky

04-20-2009, 10:19 AM

That thing screams "Filthy Whore" by the way, I'm still waiting on my royalties check?

Klantz

04-20-2009, 12:45 PM

That thing screams "Filthy Whore" by the way, I'm still waiting on my royalties check?

When I get the production check, I'll send you your cut. :stfu2:

I_FLY_LOW

04-20-2009, 12:56 PM

hey, he said he wanted a check... do like Jeff Foxworthy,
"A check? OH I thought you wanted MONEY, well, hell, here, I'll just go a head and write one, and pay the whole thing off...."

Klantz

04-21-2009, 11:30 AM

Update:

I replaced the plug with a 9 and I can't go any cooler because there are no higher plugs that fit supposedly. I also went up to a 155 on the jetting. It seems now to be doing it only under a heavy load and it is much quieter but the pinging still exists. I bought a 160 but I think I'm going to check for leaks before I go that high on the carb. I am going to try to ride it a bit today and see how she does on the highway being careful to listen to the motor. If it gets too bad I'll ditch off on some side streets to get up to school. Hopefully if I don't get it figured out we can work on it on Saturday and get some more exp people to ride and listen.

Klantz

04-21-2009, 02:45 PM

Well, she made it to school however, one of the bolts came out of the cam chain tensioner and is now gone and me being a non-master mechanic, took the other one out to try and match a bolt to it which invariably caused the tensioner to fall inside the motor. This means I will be dropping the motor and taking off the head again to reset the tensioner. Matt came by and we tried to fish it to get to the threads, but it's not lining up. Live and learn I guess. Gotta start somewhere. Next thing on the purchase list is a metric bolt kit and I'm gonna need some locktight Dirty.

Fitty

04-21-2009, 07:31 PM

Aw man. Sorry to hear this. :(

teethandnails

04-24-2009, 09:13 AM

I like my bikes like I like my women.

thedrizel

04-24-2009, 09:25 AM

I like my bikes like I like my women.

All broken down not able to be ridden.:stfu2:

Klantz

04-24-2009, 09:28 AM

All broken down not able to be ridden.:stfu2:

Kinda what I was thinking...

I_FLY_LOW

04-24-2009, 09:39 AM

I like my bikes like I like my women.

Inflateable?

ok... to each their own, I suppose..

teethandnails

04-24-2009, 10:50 AM

Inflateable?

ok... to each their own, I suppose..

I was thinking filthy whoreish... :1stplace:

opus68

04-24-2009, 11:20 AM

I like my bikes like I like my women.

You like women?

LAYNFRM

04-24-2009, 11:27 AM

You like women?

WIN!

i just spit mini wheats all over the screen

teethandnails

04-24-2009, 09:56 PM

You like women?

man I am laughing so hard right now. :nopity:

I_FLY_LOW

04-25-2009, 01:49 AM

man I am so hard right now. :nopity:

Oh shit... here we go again...

2Evil4U

04-25-2009, 10:45 PM

I don't know what to do, but based on the hole in the old piston I'd say predetonation killed it the last time. Timing is worth looking into, if it's adjustable. How old is that thing again? It doesn't have points does it? Doesn't look like the high compression piston was a good idea. Might have to go back to to a flat top piston.

Surely there's someone on Thumpertalk that can help with this.

I'm with Bill on this one. The timing thought popped into my pea-brain on the way home. If it's at all possible to get to the points or Electronic Ignition trigger, I'd retard the timing about 12 degrees and see what happens. It'd be cheaper than a new piston. (Might start a bit harder but will be easier to kick though and won't try to break your leg.) I've got a light if you need it.

Random comment from the XL board. (I think you said XL & not XR. Oh well.)

"The timing is set under your clutch cover. That is where the ignition pickup is located. I don't know if there is any adjustment there or just mounting holes that are fixed. You could look at slotting the mount holes and see if you could slightly rotate the pickup. Of course this will also retard your full advance setting, but that shouldn't hurt things unless you are looking for that last bit of top end power."

thedrizel

04-25-2009, 11:19 PM

I kinda dismissed the point/electronic ignition question but it's an 82 model. Just for the sake of it, check and see what it's got please.....asap.

Klantz

04-25-2009, 11:38 PM

I will look into it. I'd like to do my best to try not to buy a new piston. I guess taking the clutch cover off and looking won't hurt anything. Anyone free this week to help?

2Evil4U

04-25-2009, 11:40 PM

I work until 1630 m-th but can assist after that if needed.

Klantz

04-25-2009, 11:43 PM

Maybe thurs or if you're off friday and don't have much going on I can make a run up to ya.

2Evil4U

04-26-2009, 08:42 AM

Friday I work until 1530. Anytime you're free is fine.

mattc

04-26-2009, 09:32 AM

I'm off all day thursday, willing to help.

Klantz

04-30-2009, 02:55 PM

well, I called all around and it seems as though my research the first time was correct and the honda piston bored .50 over at the original compression is discontinued so now I am going to be calling around from several online places to see if I can get the piston out of someone's dirty rusty old warehouse.

Fitty

04-30-2009, 03:24 PM

derf

04-30-2009, 03:28 PM

Let me know if you want me to de-compress that piston.

Klantz

04-30-2009, 04:12 PM

I think the first thing I'm going to do after talking to the wise-co guy for a while is to get some octane booster. It could be a simple fix that would allow for me to run it daily and if it works, great.

I might then try to adjust the timing even though it will make it harder to start.

I am hoping a combination of these two will make it bearable for what I'll be using it for. Wise-co said this is one of their most popular products and that they typically don't have any problem from the 80's 500 motor at that compression.

Klantz

04-30-2009, 04:17 PM

Assuming it doesn't cause any timing chain issues, could you shim the base gasket some, thickening it to reduce compression. I think that method is used with the KLR 685 kit. I think you have the option of different thicknesses of base gasket. Maybe you could just use two?

This is also something I talked to the wiseco guy about and he said it's possible it could help, but I wouldn't want to double them, he said an originally thicker gasket would be what I want and he's going to get back to me with specs on their gasket set.

derf

04-30-2009, 04:22 PM

I think you can get Toluene at Home Depot for octane boost.
Let me know if you want to try turning or milling the piston dome off.

Klantz

04-30-2009, 04:44 PM

I think you can get Toluene at Home Depot for octane boost.
Let me know if you want to try turning or milling the piston dome off.

It might come down to that, but I'd like to not have to.

king4456

04-30-2009, 04:44 PM

kenny i never said it but if i broke anything i will gladly replace it. bvlinkers are gonna get ordered tommorrow. just tell me which ones you want. is the clutch ok?

Klantz

04-30-2009, 04:47 PM

Greg, the clutch is fine, it had just stuck and we un-stuck it that night and I broke the other rear turn signal off earlier that day. I would say the cigars are an even trade and no worries. I'm just glad you weren't seriously injured.

Klantz

04-30-2009, 05:21 PM

okay, someone tell me if this makes any sense... The only thing I found on timing in the manual was this bit of information.

http://i281.photobucket.com/albums/kk230/kllantz/Untitled-1.jpg

Redbird

04-30-2009, 06:19 PM

What I get out of it is... if it's possible to move the pulse generator, you can advance or retard the timing.
But I'm no expert.

Kenny, I don't know if this has been thought of already... but are you running the proper temp range sparkplug? Because a 'too hot' plug will cause pre-detonation and hole a piston quickly.
I've been reading alot lately about proper plug heat ranges for the two-stroke. Apparently they're much more sensitive to changes in heat ranges.

ONE LOVE

05-01-2009, 04:35 PM

She sure is a ugly bitch but like all whores, I bet she loves to be ridding.

ONE LOVE

05-01-2009, 04:36 PM

Thats why i love this place. :respect:
I would say the cigars are an even trade and no worries. I'm just glad you weren't seriously injured.

Klantz

05-01-2009, 10:08 PM

UPDATE: SHE DOESN'T PING HARDLY AT ALL! just needs a little octane booster... Mattc and I rode her around a bit and everything seems alright.. damn cheap ethanol crap for gas...

king4456

05-01-2009, 10:12 PM

she just needed somebody to show her who's boss

:wall: that person is not me of course

derf

05-01-2009, 10:35 PM

Look in to Toluene:
http://www.elektro.com/~audi/audi/toluene.html

Klantz

05-02-2009, 12:16 AM

Look in to Toluene:
http://www.elektro.com/~audi/audi/toluene.html

the toluene would be nice and cheap, the only problem is I would need 1/2 - 3/4 a quart every time I filled up and that's a lot of extra fluid to carry. With the store bought stuff I only need 3-4 ounces and I can buy 1 bottle for $8 and it's good for four fills.

Klantz

05-03-2009, 08:49 PM

Well, after a day of riding I still get the pinging under a heavy load and when it's hot outside I'm having to be very careful with the gear and my right right hand. After some discussion on the XL board everyone keeps coming back to the timing and after several disagreements it finally came down to...

"The timing is adjustable, but is a hit and miss job doing it. Have to take side cover off and get 2 peened screws[yellow paint on them]loose. Then it get's tricky. Move the pulse generator to what you think is right AND keep the air gap to rotor right. Put cover back on and check timing. If you missed, do it again."

So that being said I guess it's time to look a little deeper into this mess and see if the timing was ever fiddled with and if I can get it back to where it should be and if not, then adjusting it to work correctly.